Jason Nolf | Episode 4

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Jason Bryant

It's time for Stories from the Resilite, tales of triumph and tradition. Step onto the mat and into the moments that shaped wrestling history. It all comes to life on Stories from the Resilite. Here's your host, award winning wrestling broadcaster, Shane sparks.

Shane Sparks

And welcome to Stories from the Resilite. This is episode four. I am really, really looking forward to this one. We are joined by one of the all time greats, four time all American, three time national champion, two time Big Ten champ, Jason Nolf, joining us down in Texas. Jason, it is great to see you. How you been?

Jason Nolf

I've been great. Yeah, just got back from the US Open. So I was out in Vegas for a few days, and before that, I was competing on Real American Freestyle. So just excited to be home and relaxing for a few days.

Shane Sparks

Want to talk about Real American Freestyle out of the gate, I've been able to broadcast a couple of those events you've been involved. What are your thoughts on Real American Freestyle? What do you appreciate most about getting opportunities to get back on the mat and scrap?

Jason Nolf

Yeah, it's been awesome. I mean, to the the opportunities that RAF has provided for the athletes has been amazing. I mean, I've, I've wanted to compete on a big stage my whole life. And, you know, in real, in Real American Freestyle, you can do that. And, you know, have an amazing crowd and have your walk out music and kind of be creative. I grew up watching the WWE so, you know, it's kind of has similar vibes with the walkout and the entertainment value. It's not just like pure wrestling, it's there's a lot more to it, and it's exciting for the fans, and it's exciting for me to compete as well.

Shane Sparks

Who are your favorite guys in the WWE growing up?

Jason Nolf

The Undertaker was my, was my top guy. I like the rock, stone cold, Steve Austin, Rey Mysterio, the Hardy brothers. But yeah, I would say the undertaker was my favorite.

Shane Sparks

What was your introduction, Jason, to wrestling. How old were you? What do you remember from getting involved in the sport in those earliest days in your career?

Jason Nolf

My original, I mean, other than watching the W I think I watched the WWE first, and I was hitting like, frog splashes on my sisters, like and then my dad had to not let me watch it anymore, because I was hurting them, but just real wrestling, you know, going into I think I had a lot of energy as a kid, and I was kind of hyper, and I would go with my sisters to gymnastics, and I couldn't sit still, so my Dad just put me in wrestling. My cousins were wrestling, and, you know, I went to, like, one of the local classes in Elderton originally, and just kind of, I still remember, like, walking around the halls and then getting on the mats. And, you know, I just remember that I actually did really like it. But then I went to, like, my first legit practice. And I don't, I remember not liking that practice, but I told my dad I liked it anyway, because I don't even know why I lied, but I hated losing, and I was getting beat up my first practice, so I remember wanting to just get better. And you know, within, you know, like, a couple weeks or month, I was beating the guys that were beating me originally. So I noticed that I was starting to get better fast, and I was a quick learner. And I think that at that point I started liking it. How old were you when you started? I was either five or six. I think maybe, maybe just turning six. You know, wrestling season started in December. I turned six in January. So, yeah, right around six years old,

Shane Sparks

tell me about your family.

Jason Nolf

I have two sisters. I have my mom and dad and two sisters. I'm the youngest. I have two older sisters. They're my oldest sister played softball, and both of my sisters at cheerleading. And you know my mom, I think she coached cheerleading a little bit. But my dad, you know, he grew up. And I think I was, I was the youngest, and my parents were only like 25 when they had me. So they were, they were young with with three kids. And my dad cut, cut trees for a living, Asplund. So he would go, you know, when there were hurricanes, he would go down to after Hurricane Katrina and cut trees, and my mom was cook at a hospital. So, you know, just live like simple lies living in a small town. And, yeah, it's not nothing too crazy. What

Shane Sparks

are your parents names?

Jason Nolf

My dad's name is Mike, and my mom's name is Audra, so my sister Sarah and Samantha. But yeah,

Shane Sparks

you you and your wife, Maddie, have a one year old daughter. You're a father yourself. Now, what are a couple of things about your mom and dad that that looking back, you really appreciate in the things that he did for you growing up?

Jason Nolf

I just think the sacrifice that they they did. My dad sacrificed a ton of time, just to, you know, he would work hard all day. He would drop me off at school in the morning, then go work all day, cutting trees, getting dirty, and then he would drive me. He would get off work, pick me up and drive me an hour and a half to practice, drive me an hour and a half back. So, you know, they didn't really live their own lives. They just, like, were trying to help us kids, like, achieve our goals and everything. So that's kind of like one thing that inspires me to do the same thing for my kids. And you know, when you have kids, you realize how amazing it is, and you know, what an opportunity you have to to help raise, raise somebody and be a good person. And, you know, follower of Jesus too. So I just think that, you know, and my mom, my mom was just, she just loved me really well. And, you know, always took care of me. So, you know, just had great parents. When you look at

Shane Sparks

your wrestling career, you talked about being younger, getting better quickly. Did you struggle with the sport much growing up? Or were you pretty much good out of the gate?

Jason Nolf

Yeah, I was pretty good right away. I lost, like my first couple matches that I wrestled. But I got pretty good, pretty fast, and I was, I was always competitive. So I think, yeah, I think I, for the most part, beat everybody, like I would have a few losses a year, but yeah, I did pretty good

Shane Sparks

in high school, if I read correctly, three times, state champion, you lost one time.

Jason Nolf

Yeah, I lost my I lost my sophomore year to Ryan Diehl, and that was in the state semifinals. That one, that one sucked, but he's obviously good. He's a four time state champion, but yeah, won the rest of them. So

Shane Sparks

what do you remember from your state titles in high school.

Jason Nolf

Um, I just remember I was, I mean, my freshman year, I had to beat Darien Cruz in the semis. He was, he was ranked, like, top three in the country. So, you know, I prepared for him all year. And, you know, would just just work with my club coaches and my high school coach to, like, strategize around, you know, wrestling him and I did a good job. I ended up beating him in alternate ride out and had a tight match in the finals. But to me, I was just so locked in on my goals, so like and I was never one that, like, celebrated or like cheered or anything. So I remember like they were always doing interviews with me after the state tournament, and I would never smile, never I would be like, Yeah, I'm excited. I need so it was, yeah, I just was, like, locked in. I don't know that's that's why I remember. And then I lost to Ryan Diehl my my sophomore year. And then after that loss, I just got a lot better, because I wanted to go and, you know, win win four titles and be undefeated, and, you know, and then go in four national titles being defeated. So, you know, losing that sucked, but, you know, it was a good motivator for me to to not feel that way again.

Shane Sparks

One thing that is so fun is doing the research on the Pennsylvania State Tournament, because it's amazing, like all the hammers that have wrestled each other. I mean, I would not have thought you wrestled Darian Cruz. Obviously, he's a lot, a lot smaller than you are, and what a national championship himself deal, as he mentioned, in a really good career. I mean, Pennsylvania wrestling is so good. You wrestled at Young Guns, correct with Jody?

Jason Nolf

Yep, yep.

Shane Sparks

What kind of impact did he have on you as a young wrestler? I

Jason Nolf

mean, I think he had a great impact on me. I mean, I grew up, and I've been to, you know, a bunch of different clubs. I spent a lot of my time with Coach Waller at All-American Wrestling Club, and, you know, a couple other Sonny Abe with Pit Bull went up for a year or two when I was a kid, you know, Vince DeAugustine and Doug Joseph. And then when I got into high school, I kind of, at least during the wrestling season, I spent most of my time with my high school coach, Jody, and then Isaac Greeley, who is Mat Factory, but, yeah, Young Guns was amazing, because obviously Jody's a great leader. And you know, everybody that's wrestled for Jody, you know, I don't know anybody that has a negative thing to say about him. He's just, you know, great coach. And you know, has the Iowa style and kind of like, taught me, and that's why I, honestly, you know, considered going to Iowa too when I was coming up, because I wrestled for Jody, and, you know, I liked his style, and I liked the way that, you know, they competed. And I just, and obviously, there were a ton of great partners, like, everybody that I was wrestling with was a state champ, or are better, you know, going to wrestle with d1 and, but, yeah, Jody just, you know. So not only technically, but just like, mentally, like, always had, like, a lot of great mindset training, and I would say pretty similar to, you know, Penn State room as well.

Shane Sparks

Who was your high school coach and what's the biggest impact they had on you?

Jason Nolf

My high school coach was Brandon Nolf. He wrestled at UPJ's national champ. I would say his biggest impact was just like, being a great, you know, partner for me is, I was a 103 pounder my freshman year, but we got to rue for, you know, three, four years. And, you know, just having a great partner to be and a great coach to, you know, help me technically and, like, push me physically was, was really important. I think that that's one of the biggest like having great training partners is one of the, you know, biggest things that you can have, and that's why my dad would drive me an hour and a half when I was a kid to go to practice. And that's why I drive an extra hour to go to Young Guns, because I need to consistently train with the best guys. So Coach Noel was a, you know, a national champ at 125 pounds from UPJ, so being able to train with him, and you know, being coached by him was super valuable.

Shane Sparks

Did you watch college wrestling in high school?

Jason Nolf

No, I didn't. I never really watched college wrestling. I started probably I would watch the NCAA finals and put those on TV and then, but never really during the during the year, would watch any duels. The only duels I would watch, I started watching, you know, Penn State, my probably my junior and senior year. I would watch a couple other duels a year, but I really would skip through most of the matches and then just watch David Taylor, Ed Ruth wrestle, because I thought the rest of the matches were boring. Yeah, I never, I never really got into college wrestling, other than like those two guys. Sometimes I'd watch Nico and Zane Russell my senior year, but I would, I would turn on, like a Indiana Purdue match, and I'd be like, This is terrible. What is going on? I was like, I could beat these guys. So I just always wanted to watch, like, the best wrestling. And other than that, I've, I mean, I'm, I've never really, I'm becoming more of a fan of wrestling now that I'm, you know, out of wrestling more. But when I was, when I was wrestling, I was like, I just want to go in, and I don't care about, you know, watch another people wrestle, but I think it is good to have people that you want to model your style after. And that was kind of David for me.

Shane Sparks

I could talk you Jason for days. I know I could. I mean literally that last answer in my mind, I'm like, I want to hit this. I want to hit this. I want to hit this. I want to hit this. I've forgotten a couple things, but I wanted to ask you this real quick, because it's the great debate, or a debate, hey, freestyle or folk style. And I would say this, I don't think it's about the style. I think it's about the wrestler. When I watch Jason Nolf Russell, I'm going to see points. It doesn't matter what style it is. If it was Greco, you'd score points when I watch David Taylor, Kyle Snyder, the great ones score points regardless of style. Agree or disagree. Break that down.

Jason Nolf

Well, I might get smoked in Greco if they try to put me on a Greco match. But yeah, I agree 100% you know, anytime you watch, you know, you know guys like David Taylor or, you know, Mitchell Mesenbrink. It doesn't matter if it's or Jax Forrest, like, those are, those are my favorite guys now to watch, like Jax and Mitchell and all those guys, because they're just putting up points. I still think that. I still like folks now better just because of the, you know, Matt rustling and everything and scrambling. You know, being able to roll across your back and, like, extend positions more fun for me. But, yeah, I mean, when you're watching wrestling, then you know it's more about the wrestler and less about the style.

Shane Sparks

You're one of the all time greats. You've won at the highest level. You mentioned Jax Forrest just won his first NCAA title. You recently were in Vegas to see the US Open. When you watch guys like Jax Forrest, I heard you on the FloWrestling Radio Live picking Bo Bassett, what a weekend he had. I mean, give us some kind of perspective from a guy that's done it at the highest level on just how amazing it is the performances these young guys are putting together.

Jason Nolf

Yeah, yeah, I can't, I mean, it's, it's hard to believe, because when I was in high school, I wasn't even close to, I mean, I could, you know, wrestle with the guys, but, you know, I would come to Penn State and I would have, like, close matches or lose to, like, the Penn State backups originally, so, and then I obviously got a lot better when I got there, but I think the resources that these kids have, they've been training at RTCs for the last few years, and, you know, they have great partners and great coaches. And I don't know, I don't know what it is that's, I mean, I think, honestly, it's just the access to, like, the high level rooms that they've been at be able to get. Access to and then just competing up and, you know, wrestling hard and kind of having that, you know, fearless mindset. I think that most people, when they're, if they're younger, they're, you know, you know, coming up and, you know, they haven't, you know, wrestled the top guys, yet, they are more fearful, or like they expect to lose, or they're like, they're mitigating their their loss already in their head, and they're like, Oh, well, you know, it's not that big of a deal if I lose, because, you know this guy's supposed to beat me. But these guys are coming in, like, expecting to win and expecting to Dom not not only expecting to win, but like, expecting attack fall their opponents. So, you know, that's kind of the mindset that they're that they have, and that's why they're so successful

Shane Sparks

recruiting. I'm going off of memory on this, Jason, I may have met you at an Iowa, Penn State dual meet. Might have met you. You might have been did you go to a Penn State I would dual meet once with Jody,

Jason Nolf

yeah, I went. I think it was my, maybe my junior year or my sophomore

Shane Sparks

year wear an Iowa wrestling shirt or sweatshirt to that dual meet?

Jason Nolf

Yeah, I was wearing an

Shane Sparks

Iowa sweatshirt. I never thought I remember that. I remember that. What was it like, recruiting wise for you, how many, how many visits did you go on? Where did you go?

Jason Nolf

I only took one official visit to Penn, state, but I took, obviously, I went to Iowa that time. I didn't, it wasn't like any visit or anything. It just went out for the duel. I went to Lehighgh for an unofficial visit. I liked the coaches at Lehigh a ton still. I still do coach Santoro is awesome, one of my favorite coaches. And then I went to Pitt. Not really sure why I went to Pitt. I think it was just because it was close to my house, maybe an hour drive. But I will say, at Pitt, if you take an visit there, unofficial or official, they had the best chocolate cake I've ever had in my life. So that was, that was my one memorable thing from, from Pitt. I think they're getting new facility now,

Shane Sparks

yeah, does an amazing job there. He's great,

Jason Nolf

yeah, he wasn't there when I took my visit. Think it was Coach Peters. And Coach Peters was great too. But, and then Stanford, I thought I was going to go to Stanford, so I took an unofficial there. I actually, I actually liked it. My dad didn't like it. He was like, sick, and I think he realized that if he wanted to watch me wrestle, it'd be a pretty far flight every single time, because they'll compete over there, and you know, it's gonna be there wasn't a ton of exposure to Stanford wrestling at the time, and they had, I think they had their old facility too. They've since built a new one, but they just weren't into wrestling as much at that at that point. Now, they're getting better, but, but, yeah, Stanford, I thought I was going to go there, and then after I left there, you know, actually, one thing that was funny that kind of made me not want to go there was, I won't say his name, but I was with one of the wrestlers on the team, and he we were walking around, and he's like, I was like, Yeah, I'm thinking about Penn State, and I'm, you know, thinking about, you know, Iowa, or thinking about Stanford. And he's like, Well, you know, you don't want to go to Penn State because, you know, you might not even start there, like you could, but like you might not even start there. And you know, you come here, you'll be the guy, you'll be the best guy on the team. And you know you'll be, you'll be 100% starter. And you know everything will be. And I'm like, Well, I'm going to be a starter. I want to be a four time national champ. So whoever I want to be, I plan better be the starter if I'm, you know, no matter where I go, if I want to win the Nationals. So I didn't like that mindset, that that that guy chaired, and didn't really want to be, you know, surrounded by people that think like that. So where did you get your self belief? I think it was just, just from all my coaches. They just in my dad, like everybody, they just, like we did so much mindset training and, like, writing down our goals and, you know, visualizing stuff like that when I grew up. Remember, like, my first coach that really, like had an impact on my mindset was his name was Doug Joseph. He ran a wrestling club called pride, maybe, like 3040, minutes from my house. But we would go there, and he was like, good. He was more like upper body throws, you know, type of wrestler. But he would get so fired up and give us, like, these end of practice speeches about believing yourself, about having great body language, about doing everything the right way. I actually need to, like, step up my game now that I'm thinking with my club, because he was such a motivator for me and had such an impact. And I remember I I wrestled this kid, Luke bruman, before I won my first state title, I wrestled this kid, Luke broom, and he beat me like, eight zero. It was like. Three or four weeks before the state tournament, and I was on my back the whole time. Wasn't even close to scoring on him. He was crushing me, tilting me, doing everything. I wrestled him in the state finals, after I didn't even win my area. I lost to Mikey Kemmer, and I wrestled him in state finals, and he was beating me three zero and they're like 130 minute periods, or one minute period, and I came back and I beat him five to three. So, like, I think at that point, you know, having overcome such a, like, a bad loss a couple weeks prior, and then going back and, you know, losing in the match, and then saying, Okay, I'm gonna keep wrestling until this match is over, and figuring out a way to go out and win. I think that was big for my, you know, my belief knowing that, hey, even if I lose to somebody, you know, now, I can just get better. And, you know, go, beat them. And no matter what, even if I'm losing in a match, I can come back and win. So, you know, I think that match specifically. But then also that was like, that was like, Doug Joseph, and then, you know, all of my coaches, you know, grown up and did a great job of just, you know, like I said, Jody, after every practice, have a speech to the team about doing the things the right way, about believing in yourself, about doing everything right. And then my high school coach, Brandon Nolf, he would always just tell me, believe in your training, because I did more than anybody else in the country, in my in my training, and now, like I didn't even do as much as Bob Bassett, like Bo Bassett is doing more than I was doing. He's waking up at 4am and but I was waking up at, you know, 530 or 6am and getting to run in or lift, and then going to school, and then going to high school practice, and then after high school practice two hours. I would drive an hour to Young Guns, and then, you know, train another, you know, so, you know, with the driving and everything, I still think that, you know, I did more than, you know, anybody else, and I was consistent, like, day after day, you know, for my whole career. So that was kind of where I got a lot of my confidence from, too. Was just, you know, knowing I was doing the right things.

Shane Sparks

Stories from the resolite with Jason Nolf, three time national champion at Penn State for the Nittany Lions. What do you remember from your first encounter with Cael?

Jason Nolf

My first encounter with Cael was at UPJ. I was doing a Young Guns camp there, and he, I guess he showed up to do, like a at home visit, but I wasn't at home, so he came to UPJ, and I remember he wanted to meet with me and like the UPJ wrestling office. And I didn't, I didn't want to go to go to Penn State. So I was, like, I didn't care, like to, I never watched Cael growing up. So like, he wasn't like, a, like a role model for me, or any like, I knew that he was the coach at Penn State, but, like, that's all I knew about him. I didn't, and I knew, obviously, I knew, that he was a four time national champion, but I just never watched him. So, you know, it was, he came and I didn't want to. I was, I was in the office with him, and he was talking to me about, you know, Russ come to wrestle at Penn State. And I just remember I kept yawning. I was like, and I didn't want to yawn, but like, sometimes you can't control your yawns. It just happens. And I was, uh, I just kept yawning. I didn't want to be disrespectful to him or anything. But, yeah, he just came and it was just like, a simple conversation. And that's, that's all I remember. And then he kind of left, and then we left it at that. And like I said, I had no intention of going to Penn State still. And then I kind of randomly chose Penn State. So I remember, I was in the I was in my car driving around my town, and my dad called me. I was doing no research. I didn't know anything about colleges or anything. I was just like, you know, staying focused on, like, where I was at and, you know, I didn't get into, like, the whole recruiting process or anything. But I remember he, like, he said to me, he's like, you have to, like, take ownership of this. Like, do you want to be homeless the rest of your life. And I was like, I was like, No, I'm not gonna be homeless. Like, and I was already getting mad, and I was just like, I'm just gonna go to Penn State. And I kind of just said it, like, like, out of like, not out of anger, but like, out of frustration. Because I was like, All right, just, I'll just go to Penn State. Then, you know, and so then I called, he's like, All right, so then I called Cael, and he was like, and I was like, Hey, what'd you guys offer me again? And he's like, Oh, is this? And I'm like, Okay, I'll come. So he was like, okay, good. And it was just like a random, like, out of nowhere. So I had, like, Matt McCutcheon, was one of my friends from from Young Guns. And he would text me all the time, hey, you got to come to Penn State. I'd be like, yeah, right, I'm not coming. And then, like, I remember committing. And then they he found out. He's like, What the heck. So that was good story,

Shane Sparks

talking about Dr Matt McCutcheon, chiropractor, now out in what, Arizona.

Jason Nolf

Yeah, forgot. I forgot. Forgot the doctor.

Shane Sparks

Yes, yeah. And he was a catcher on the baseball team. One of my favorite things about Matt McCutcheon, I just talked to him couple months ago. We had a remember that guy one of the Big Ten broadcasts. I'm like, let's go with Matt McCutcheon. He was, you know, darn good wrestler and a really good athlete. So, so you, when it came to college, you wanted to go to Iowa, is that accurate? That's where you kind of wanted to go. And then, yeah, ultimately ended up my

Jason Nolf

first my first thought when I was like, if you, if you go back, and there's an interview of me on flow, when I think Mark Bader or piles, one of them, they can't think it was Bader, but he came into the UPJ room, and I was just training Young Guns, and like, hey, where do you want to go to school? And I was like, I'm gonna go to Cornell. I want to go to Cornell and, like, though, actually, like, Coach Casey thought that I was, like, committed to Cornell whenever, like, my dad was trying to, like, get the coaches to reach out to me, and they're like, I thought he was committed to Cornell. So just because Cornell a had, like, Kyle Dake and, you know, a bunch of like, NCAA champions already, and they're great wrestling, and they had their obviously, Ivy League school. I wanted to, I never planned on Wrestling after college. So I wanted to go to a college where I could get, like, an amazing degree. And, you know, you know, my grades were really important to me in high school, you know, being one of the top kids in my class. So, yeah. So that was, like, my first thought was like, Oh, I just go to Cornell. But again, it wasn't like it is now, like, I didn't know anything about, like, the recruiting process or anything kind of, now the kids are a little bit more knowledgeable about it in the pro and how everything works. So, so, but then also, I was like, I would consider going to Iowa. I liked it out there. I liked there. I liked the brands I liked, you know, my my friends were committing there. So, yeah, I thought that I would be a good spa or Cornell. And then I changed my mind when I was like, I don't even know what. I just liked the idea of living out in California and kind of the warm weather and everything of Stanford. And Stanford had his good medical school. So that was kind of my plan. Was to go to medical school after after college. So dad didn't do that.

Shane Sparks

I have it in my notes here. You mentioned Stanford. He mentioned Cornell. I know you got great grades in high school. Thought I read you graduated with a 4.5 GPA, 4.5 GPA, you spoke to the importance of academics. Tell me more about that. The academics What drove you academically and and just your pursuit of excellence in all areas of your life.

Jason Nolf

Yeah, I think it's, I think, like, I just want to win everything that I do. So if there's a competition, I want to win it. And there's a competition in school of being an valedictorian or a salutatorian, I fell short. I took third in my class, got a B in AP English my last nine weeks of the year. And that bought me. I was two, it brought me down to three. So that's

Shane Sparks

giving up a late takedown in the end of the second period, right?

Jason Nolf

Yeah, exactly. Honestly, I wasn't as smart as the other people. Anyway. I just worked really hard and, like, tried to game the system and figured things out, like, because I was training all the time. But I just think that, you know, the best. People are just competitive in everything that they do. And doesn't matter if I'm playing pickleball or, you know, playing golf or, you know, at school, or whatever it is, wrestling, I want to be the best at it, and so I'm going to work to be the best at it. And I just think it's effort too. A lot of people I was taking, like, I took like, five AP classes my senior year, I took an independent study in physics and in chemistry. Like, it was, like a next level of physics, chemistry than, like, most normal people could even take. And I just wanted to, like, take the hardest classes, because they were weighted different. Like the normal classes, you can only get a 4.0 but if you take an AP class, you can get, like, a five, like, towards a 5.0 with the AP classes, they're graded harder, and, you know, just doing that, you know, and I didn't have and that's why, like, when my I'll have Club Kids, or, you know, other people that will say, Oh, I can't go To come practice, because I got to study or, you know, I got to get my homework done. I'm like, I never missed a single practice, and I had the toughest classes ever. So you can't make that excuse with me. I was like, you can do both. It's and, and I wasn't that smart. I was just a hard worker. And, you know, you just, you just figure it out. You got to, you know, learn how to figure it out and be there for both things. But I think, like a lot of kids now, they're, you know, they just prioritize wrestling more than more than school. But I think, you know, to be a well rounded, you know, not just athlete, but a well rounded person. You got to be competitive in everything you do is business or, you know. Wrestling or go, like I said, whatever it is you got to, you know, aim to be the best at

Shane Sparks

it. When you went to Penn State and spent those first few weeks in the room, what guys had the biggest impact on you?

Jason Nolf

I think guys like, Well, Nick Fanthorpe was one of the assistant coaches at Penn State when I got there, and he nobody has ever beat me up the way that he beat me up. So that was kind of like a wake up call for me, like, Oh crap. I gotta get I gotta get better and wrestle with guys like Zack Beitz, Zayn Rutherford, the Alton brothers, David Taylor, Frank Molinaro, those, those were the guys that I was wrestling. And honestly, I had like, Bo Nickal and Nick Nevills and Shakur Rasheed. Those were the guys that, you know, were in my in my incoming class with me. And we wrestled all the time like we would, we would show up at, you know, have practice, and then we'd show back up at eight o'clock, and then wrestle some more live, or some matches in the room, and I think just, you know, I had a great group of friends and guys around me that were competitive and they wanted to reach the same goals that I wanted to. So we were all just working together and having friends let lift you up and motivate you and that are doing the right things is invaluable, because a lot of, lot of schools you go to, not, I mean, it, it could even be Penn State, depending on the on the grade. But you know, some, you know, some friends aren't going to do that. They're going to want to come in and party and, you know, just kind of go through the motions. They get, they get a sense of freedom. And they want to, they don't want to, you know, do the same things that you want to do. So, you know, if you're not strong in your values, then you could fall into that. But for me, I was always very strong in what what I believe in and what my values were like. Never drank alcohol my life. Never did any drugs in my life. And I just remember too like so when I got to Penn State, it was easy to continue to do those things, not only because I was strong in my values, but because I had, you know, great teammates and, you know, great leaders as coaches like you know, you're not going to see coach Cael out at, you know, the bar drinking, and you're not going to see Coach Casey or coach Caelr Varner out drinking. So I think it's easy to, you know, and that's why it's important as a coach to lead by example. But yeah, I think that just having the having those, you know, great teammates and coach, I think everybody that at Penn State had a significant impact on on me. So

Shane Sparks

putting you on the spot here a little bit, because you were around so many great wrestlers and people who was your best teammate, and maybe it wasn't a guy that was winning a bunch of matches. Could have been somebody behind the scenes. I mean, who is your best teammate? If you had to pick one, who would you pick? I

Jason Nolf

honestly don't even think I could pick one. My best friend and in was Nick Nevills he was my roommate, and we spent the most time together. So he was always, you know, there and but, you know, you could say, like, Zane and Bo were great teammates, because we're like, like, some of the top guys on the team, and we motivated each other to, like, keep getting more bonus points and everything like that. And then we just had a ton of teammates that were like, great for different reasons.

Shane Sparks

Did you guys ever talk about the Hodge trophy?

Jason Nolf

Never talked about it. And who wants to win it, and what people had to do to win it. I've always thought the biggest competition with the Hodge Trophy seems to be the Penn State Room. Yeah, we never really talked about it. We obviously all wanted to win it. So, you know, I never got one, but, you know, I just, I wrestled hard every match, and you know, I did everything I could to do that. But, yeah, I think that just, you know, if you see, like, if I was wrestling, I see Zane get a pin, I'm like, I better pin my guy, because, you know, he has one more pin than me this year. So I gotta stay. I gotta, you know, then if he didn't get a pin, I'd be like, All right, there's my chance to go get a pin and get ahead of him in the in the Hodge ranking stuff like that. So that, at least that's what I was thinking. I'm sure that they were thinking the same thing. If not, then maybe, maybe I'm crazy. But yeah, and then my my junior year, I was doing good. I think I was leading the team on pins and everything, and I was like, but I was like, so obsessed with the Hodge that, like, my mindset, like, was crazy. Like, I won a match by 14 Points against Jake short. And I remember I was like, so upset after the match because I didn't get the tech and and then the next match was when I got hurt, so I knew it was like a wake up call from God, saying, like, hey, like, this isn't why you wrestle. You know, you wrestle because you love to compete and want to go and, you know, score points and, you know, have fun. It's not just about trying to please other people. And, you know, try to win an award so that. You look cool, or stuff like that. So I think that would have been my year to win it was my junior. I think I could have won it my senior year too. But I think my my close match with Hayden, Hidlay you know, probably, probably cost me that the Hodge. But if there was a year to do a co Hodge, I think that would have been the year to do it with Bo, and then they did it with Spencer and Gable and me and Bo were like, What the heck? So because me and Bo were like, We were so close, and we had, like, almost I we both had three losses. We both had four national finals. We both had three national titles. I think I had 60 pins. He had 59 pins, like, throughout our like, we were, like, almost identical in every stack category throughout our career. So that'd been a good year to do it. Probably

Shane Sparks

it's amazing what you were able to do and the teammates. I mean, some of those great teams that you were on, championship teams, when you think back to a particular conversation that you had privately with Cael, or a conversation Cael had in addressing the team, is there one that stands out, you know, when you when you think back of some of the things that he said, Is there a conversation that that maybe stands out amongst the others in your mind?

Jason Nolf

Not honestly, not really just, you know, the thing about Cael is he's just consistent. And, you know, comes in with a message every day. I remember a couple of times he got fired up at the team. I won't talk about those, but there were a couple of times where he came in mad. And I guess those stand out to me more than anything.

Shane Sparks

Why was he mad?

Jason Nolf

Can't say,

Shane Sparks

okay,

Jason Nolf

can't say but he was mad. And he never get he never got mad for the most part. I mean, he would get mad, but he would never really show it. He would, you know, he would get frustrated, you know, and just kind of keep it to himself and but he never, like projected onto the team, but he did one time. But yeah, sorry, I can't tell it.

Shane Sparks

Your red shirt freshman year, make the national finals. You fell to I-Mar beat at the Big Tens, and in the NCAA Finals, you beat him in the you pinned him in that regular season dual meet. You didn't do a lot of losing. I mean, that was you won a ton. How did you deal with that loss?

Jason Nolf

Like I cried a bunch, and I was super sex. I want to be a four time national champ. I remember, after the Big Tens, I didn't really care that much. Obviously, I want to be undefeated too. So that was my first loss the Big Tens. But ultimately, I knew that, you know, the Big Tens didn't really matter. It was just more about the Nationals and, you know, getting it done at the end of the year. So when I lost in the finals there, you know, just I was sad, and then Bo lost, and then we were both sad together. So, yeah, I just sucked. And then, but then I was alright. Well, time to kind of get back to work, then just back at practice on Monday, and, you know, working to not feel that way again and just go win it the next year. So

Shane Sparks

you won your first national title. You beat Joey Lavallee of Missouri to win the first title. And then you beat Hayden Hidlay, who was a stud, and then Tyler Berger from Nebraska. I mean, those are the three guys you beat when you won that first national title. What do you remember from that night to be a national champ?

Jason Nolf

Yeah, that was probably, you know, one of my favorite nights of my life, just because that was, like, that was a goal I'd had for a long time, was to be a national champ. And, you know, I was able to to finally get it done, achieve it. And, you know, anybody that Russell's wants to be a national champion. So to be able to go out and I think I got bonus points too in the finals and got a major so yeah, I was just excited and just to get to share with my teammates that I think we had five national champions that year. Me, Vincenzo, Mark Hall, Bo and Zane. So it was just cool that we went five for five in the finals and a lot of celebrating fun.

Shane Sparks

What made titles two and three special?

Jason Nolf

I would say the second title was special because that was the year I got injured. So I was at like 30% of you know, my my max capability, probably, and had to wrestle, you know, on a on a hurt knee, so, and I didn't even, I mean, I believe that once I got hurt, I was gonna be able to come back. But, you know, I basically complete, almost completely, tore my PCL and my LCL. So, you know, I had, like, six weeks until the Big Tens, and then two weeks until nationals after that. So, you know, just to be able to get be out there and competing, I remember I just, I was at peace, just grateful to for the opportunity to even go out and and wrestle and compete. And, you know, I was able to, and I had a tough draw too. I had Michael Kemerer in the quarters, and then Micah Jordan in the semis, and then Hayden, who was undefeated in the finals. So. Yeah, you know, to be able to go out and get it done. And just like I had to change my wrestling style and, you know, focus more on my head and hands defense, you know, finishing clean, you know, just being more solid wrestler, rather than crazy, but still be able to be to be able to go out and get it done, especially like after my first match or two, I was, like, I was wrestling guys that normally I would pin and I was winning, like, six to three, six to two. And it just was a little bit uncomfortable, and it was hard, but that was really fulfilling for for me, just to know that, you know, even if things don't go perfectly, I can still get the job done. And it's kind of like, you know, it's like, you know, so what? Or like, this is a chance to show my strength. And I think when people like, whenever, whenever you have adversity in your life, some people can say, Okay, well, this sucks. Like that's an excuse to lose. But another perspective you could have is, hey, this is a chance to show you know, how hard I work. This is a chance to show, like, my abilities to perform even under, even with diversity, or even if things aren't going great, and then my senior year, just to, you know, I just wanted to end on a win. So that was good to especially after having a close match with Hayden and the semis. And, you know, I was, like, shocked after that match, because I did not expect it to go that way. I expected to go out and because I'd beat him the year before in the finals with a hurt knee. So I was like, Oh, if I beat him with a hurt knee, I could, you know, go get bonus here. And, you know, for it to be a one point match, or, or, yeah, it was one point match. I was like, I remember standing in the hallway after and just like, I was just like, my head was like, shocked, because I hadn't. I had no intentions of that happening, but I was just happy to be moving on and then, yeah, be able to end on a win in the finals. To close up, my career was, was really good. So, and back in the day, like sponsorships weren't like, like, brand sponsorships weren't really like that, like, prevalent among, like, athletes, like some, like David was sponsored, and like Kyle Snyder response. But like, I wanted to, like, get a good brand sponsor. So, like, I was, like, in my head thinking, oh, I want to win so that I can, you know, get a sponsor. And I knew that it was the wrong thing to think, but it just was in my head, and, you know, I had to keep battling, battling those thoughts like, Hey, we're not, we're not again, same thing as the Hodge. We're not wrestling so that we get a sponsor. We're not wrestling so that we can grow Instagram followers, or, you know, or we're not so we can make money. It's, it's like, we want to go wrestle and win because we want to win, because we want to be the best and dominate. So that was, like, one of the struggles I had my senior year was just like, get kind of going back and forth, and like, having those thoughts. And so whenever I was able to to win, and you know, I did a pretty good job of, like switching, like doing, like a mindset shift and just focus on wrestling. And, you know, I went out there and got the job done. And, you know, I was, I was happy. It was like, it was like, a sense of relief too, because I was like, All right, I can stop having those thoughts now.

Shane Sparks

Jason, if somebody allowed me to be, you know, somebody said, Hey, Shane, you get to pick a couple of people's head that you get to go explore for an hour, you'd be one of them. I mean, I am fascinated by your mindset. It blows me away when you look talking about what you did as in your junior season, the way you had to win that national title. Who is somebody, Jason, that you look at their mindset, and it blows you away. And you'd like to get inside their head for a little bit and check to see how things are wired.

Jason Nolf

I mean, to the biggest guy for me right now is Bo Bassett, because he just goes out and like, he has no fear, and he goes out and he wants to chase the toughest matchups, and, you know, like he's lost a bunch of matches. And even when he loses, he's like, All right, let's go, let's, let's get back to it. And so I think he's one of the, the, he has one of the strongest minds in wrestling right now. And, you know, he's a, he's a good dude and good person, and wrestles hard, and, you know, so I would like to, you know, pick his brain and see, see what he's he's up to in there,

Shane Sparks

Stories from the Resilites when there's a pin. I like to call it the slap of the resolites. You had many of them. What is a pin that stands out the most in your career?

Jason Nolf

I mean, it has to be the the I-Mar pin, just because, you know, I kind of, I didn't really know, like, like, the value of it at the time, just because he was, he was another competitor, and, like, obviously knew he was the undefeated rating national champion. So it was a good opportunity. But I was excited, like, to go out and and wrestle, so to be able to get that. Pin was like, Okay, well, I'm, I am one of the best, you know, in this weight class, and you know, I am going to go, you know, it's kind of like validating for me, knowing that, because I already had confidence, knowing that I was going to win. But it is cool to, like, you know, get that pin and be like, Okay, why that? Yeah, like, just kind of validates, like, your or your beliefs already, and it makes it even more real. So to get that pin was and then I'd say one of my other pins that I really liked was the buffalo kid, Todd rank. I ran into him the other week at the Texas State Tournament. He's really good dude, but I Yeah, to be able to pin him because, you know, when you're wrestling buffalo, you expect to get a pin. And, you know, I was out there and, you know, trying to, like, you know, same thing with, like, the hard stuff, like, Oh, when I keep getting pins, and, you know, it was third period, and I'm not even close to pinning him. I can't. He's, like, so hard to pin. Then he reverses me, dances on me. And then I'm like, All right, now I gotta go and take them down, start cutting them, get my cradle. And I remember that was, like, one time I wanted to celebrate, and like, I did, like a hand clap, but I was pretty fired up at that one. That was probably my favorite

Shane Sparks

pin, Jason. I got, like, three sheets. I mean, I mean, I could talk you for you. Got a few minutes yet?

Jason Nolf

Yeah, I got some time.

Shane Sparks

Okay, okay, because that brings me to something else. I mean, this is one of those conference I knew I'm like, I could talk to Jason Nolf. I could talk to you for three days straight. No problem, easily. Okay. When you would get done with your matches, you would lay the ankle bands down neatly. What's the story behind that?

Jason Nolf

I just always did. I've always done it. I don't know. I just never stopped doing it. So there's just something like it most, like referees. Have you do that when you're a kid? And just so it's neat. And like, the next person comes up, they don't have to, like, go reach over here for one, and then go reach like, they're right there, they're ready, they're ready to go for the next wrestler. So it was just something that I always did. And just, you know, I would have felt weird if I didn't do it. I would have, like, had OCD about it. So, yeah, just, and I just, like, doing it as neat. Did you have any pre match routines? Yeah, I have a pretty match routine, you know, I do the pretty much the same thing every every time before I compete, I, you know, obviously, get my warm I get my warm up in. And the warm up is different depending on, like, where my competition is, or like, what I'm doing, but most of the time it's just like, you know, just getting a getting a hard drilling, you know, getting some good reps in. And then, you know, I used to do springs back and forth. And then I'll do like, I'll just pace back and forth, you know, at a certain time, I'll stand up, certain time, I'll sit down and rest my legs. And then, you know, I'll do like, some body weight squats, you know, pace back and forth, say a prayer, and then go out there and kick butt. So that's, that's this, that's the routine, right there.

Shane Sparks

What role does faith play in your wrestling? I mean, I think, I think it's,

Jason Nolf

it's everything, just because, you know, it allows me to, you know, not place my value in whether I'm winning or losing, but just, and it just helps me stay prepared. So, you know, when you start to feel nervous, I just asked God to turn my nerves into energy and allow me to compete to the best of my ability, and

Shane Sparks

then

Jason Nolf

at that point, you can use the nerves as a blessing. And you know, it's not, it's not out of fear, because there really is nothing to fear. You know, you're just going out and you're doing a sport. So you know, both guys want to win. You're gonna go out and see who the better wrestler is. So I think, and I've, again, I've struggled sometimes with, like, just, like, you know, losing, just because I hate losing. But now I kind of take the perspective like, Hey, I don't, like, obviously, I want to win, but win or lose, you know, after the match, I'm going to, I'm going to be, I'm going to be the same person. I'm going to, you know, be as respectful, and I'm not going to, you know, throw a fit or, like, anything like that. You got to be, you know, respectful, win or lose, and just kind of having having faith, and knowing that it doesn't really matter whether you win or lose, depending on, like, on your value as a person. I think a lot of people that are become become top of their sport, they start placing a lot of value in, you know, their their success and and it's easy to do that, because you know, whenever you're winning, you're getting, you know, praise from other people, and whenever you're losing, you're getting, like, trashed on by other people. So, you know, one thing that you know Cael talked about is like, Hey, if you're gonna or it wasn't even Cael, I think it was like Lauren Daigle or something. So she's like a Christian artist. If you're gonna accept the praises of man, you got to accept the criticisms as well. So, you know, you. If you're, if you're, if you're checking Twitter and you're excited, people are tweeting about you and, you know, posting about you on Instagram, and, oh, it's awesome. And you kind of get fulfillment out of that, then you're gonna get, you're gonna feel that criticism just as much. But whenever you kind of just, you know, you don't take it in too much, and you're just like, Okay, well, you know, I won. That's great. You know, all these people were saying this, okay, good. Like, but, like, not really putting too much emphasis on other people's value of you, then that's kind of how you stay, like, locked in and focused, because it can be pretty depressing if, if you place a lot of value in what other people say about you. Because, you know, it's hard to win all the time, so you're gonna get, you know, I'm pretty lucky that, you know, nobody has said too much bad stuff about me, even, you know, when I lost but if they did, it would suck. So I think just, you know, not putting, not putting value in that, and because there are a lot of people, I mean, especially like now social media is just growing and growing, and people are bots, and people that, just like, literally are on Twitter to cause, like, division and like, before I before I had faith, like, I used to be time, like, I wouldn't tweet or anything. But like, sometimes I would, like, stir the pot with, like, my friends or with people around me, and I would say stuff just to kind of like, stir the pot and, like, you know, create discourse or whatever. And then, as I grew in my faith, I realized that that was stupid and I was just like being a kid. But, you know, there are people that just want to, want to cause controversy and want to talk crap, and, you know, it's, it's sad, honestly, that that people do that on Twitter, just because, you know, especially in wrestling, like, we got to just lift each other up and, you know, root for each other. And you know, people that haven't been wrestled don't know how hard it is, or even people that did wrestle now they expect, they're like, oh, you know, these kids are, you know, they just place them too high on a pedestal, and they, you know, they expect so much to them so, you know, to and then they talk trash if they don't perform. Like, wrestling is hard, like you saw it at the US Open this past weekend, like, it's so hard to be consistent, like, can't like David Carr lost to Keegan O'Toole and like, I would have never expected that to happen, but it happens. Like, I would have never expected to lose to Evan Wick a couple weeks ago, but it or a couple months ago, but it happened. And you just have to, like, realize that, you know, stuff like that, stuff like that happens, and you just gotta, you know, give some grace. Who's your Mount Rushmore? Of wrestlers,

Shane Sparks

of all wrestlers,

Jason Nolf

um, that's hard to say, because I have so many great teammates. That's good question. I don't know. It's hard to say. It's hard, it's hard to put

Shane Sparks

if I gave you a mountain with like, six heads, seven heads, who are, who are some of the all time for you,

Jason Nolf

some of my favorites. Well, obviously, Cael, David Taylor, Bo Zayn,

Shane Sparks

let me see,

Jason Nolf

that's four.

Shane Sparks

There you go.

Jason Nolf

Trying to see them, trying to see if I missed any. Who would be some other good options.

Shane Sparks

I'd have dake. I'd probably have dake with the career he had. I'm not not putting

Jason Nolf

him up there.

Shane Sparks

You need me too

Jason Nolf

many times. Dake is good, bro. I'm thinking college wrestlers. I'm not thinking, okay, just college only. Yeah, just college. So those are some of my favorite guys, you know, like I said, Never watched Cael, but you know, you can't, you can't have a college wrestling Mount Rushmore without killing it. But David was my favorite guy to watch. And then, you know, it was kind of like me. Zane and Bo were the guys, you know, competing day in, day out, you know, at Penn State. So those are, those are, those are my guys, right there

Shane Sparks

just a few more quick questions for you. Jason, really appreciate this. Want to, want to get inside your mind, get your perspective on, like, great wrestling debates. What's a, what's a debate in wrestling that that gets you fired up, that you like to debate, and anything that stands out?

Jason Nolf

Um, state versus states, that one fires me up. Yeah, low key? No, I just every

Shane Sparks

year I'm guessing you fall on states, is my guess.

Jason Nolf

Yeah. But honestly, since living in Texas, I'm starting to stay, stay state. I'm like, Hey, we got state this weekend. I'm like, wait, I mean states. Honestly, I get it. I get it from both sides now, because it just depends on, like, what people around you are consistently saying and but they are Yeah, that I don't even want to get into it just fired me up. But it states, yeah,

Shane Sparks

it's funny. I live in Wisconsin, and we always, we say, state, I. But I've also kind of, now I've kind of come across, come around to states a little bit, because you bring up a really good point. I take some heat. I take some heat. It gets overblown by saying coffee grinder. Where I live, it's called a coffee grinder. Like, I mean, call what you want to it's kind of a little bit of a joke, but it really depends on, like, how the locals saying, however, the locals say it like that's kind of what it is, right?

Jason Nolf

Yeah, it's just what it is.

Shane Sparks

Yeah, I'd agree on that.

Jason Nolf

I could give a very clear explanation on why it is states. But yeah, I mean, sometimes I say state now, so yeah, if you want to say state, they go ahead. I think it sounds cooler. State sounds cooler heading to state. Let's go to state, baby, like the thing I'm going to states, but, yeah,

Shane Sparks

tell me about Athletes Athletes Oceans. You know, where that, where that came from, what you're doing now, where people can go. Let us know about that.

Jason Nolf

Yeah. I mean, I think that. You know, I think Athletes Athletes Ocean is another reason why, you know, it's another resource for kids to to really get a lot better. You know, if you don't have access to the RTCs, like, you know, Bassett or Jax Forrest, some of these guys, like, you can go and and learn from some of the best guys in the country. On Athletes Athletes Ocean, we have an app athletes, Athletes Athletes Ocean, or if you just go to app, dot athlete Athletes Athletes Ocean Comm, but we basically go on, we film the best wrestlers in the country, literally, you know, 150 plus instructionals on our website and on our app that people can, you know, basically learn bread and butter techniques from the from the wrestlers that they're watching on a consistent basis. So it's cool. Now we have, we have people that, like, originally, when I started the company, we had to go out and reach out to people and, you know, set up instructionals. But now we have athletes reaching out to us wanting to teach on Athletes Athletes Ocean. So we've been able to, and it's been cool for me, because I've been able to, you know, become friends with so many different people that I would never expected to, like, necessarily have a relationship with. But when you're like, a business owner too, like, you're like, you're like, I want to create friends with with these people, because it's, it's good for, you know, it's good for business, but also it's just cool to, like, meet these new people. And it's, it's, I've had so many new friendships because of my business. So I'm like, it's been good for me to to start this, but also just good for coaches and parents and athletes to be able to go on and study. And we released a new team feature called Team Spaces. But now, basically, coaches can manage their their entire team within within Athletes Athletes Ocean. You know, you can do your your messaging, you can do your calendar, we give you practice plans, we give you instructionals, and, you know, a lifting program. And you can upload your own videos. So coaches can upload their matches to our platform, and, you know, the kids can go back and watch it. So, you know, just like a team management tool, and it's been great, we have over 600 coaches that are using Team Spaces now, all the way from, you know, you know, highest level, all the way down to youth rec league. So we got some of the best teams on the in the country, using us. So it's been pretty cool to, you know, see, like, run into people, you know, all over the place. Hey, love your app. Like, that's pretty cool to, you know, that that people are starting to learn about it and use it. I think that, you know, even for me to be able to study instructional videos, because wrestling is continuous, evolving. Everybody has different styles. And, you know, somebody might show a coffee grinder one way, and somebody might show it the other a different way. So just learning the little intricacies, and like, I learned a lot just from watching people like I would never have taught cross body, leg riding to my kids, but after watching how successful Jax is with it. You know, at the highest level, I'm like, I'm gonna watch how he does that, and I'm gonna teach that to my team, because we're a leg riding team anyway, so the hiccup, sorry, but yeah, I think that, you know, if anybody wants to check out our app, if you're a coach, go to, you know, check out Team Spaces. You can book a demo with me or one of our one of our guys, and we can show you how that how the platform works. And you know, if you're just a you know parent or you know athlete, tell your coaches about it. And, you know, set up a meeting with us. And you know, if you just want to go out and check the instructionals, you can download our app and buy the instructionals from there as well. You know, we have a couple cool key partnerships that, you know, have helped us grow in the space. So, yeah, it's been exciting to grow business and, like, like I said, with, you know, school and wrestling on your pickleball, like, I'm competitive, so I want to, I want to be the top app in the sport. I want to be, you know, I want to be the best. So,

Shane Sparks

a couple of guys that you've developed friendships with it you didn't have on the bingo

Jason Nolf

car. I'm pretty good friends with Keegan O'Toole. He's super cool. We talk on the phone every once in a while, and literally just everybody like, I'm just like, every time. I'm like, I used to be pretty shy, like, and just kind of stick to my circle, but now, like, anytime I see a wrestler, I'm like, That's my friend now. So yeah, it's just been, it's been fun.

Shane Sparks

What are a couple technique videos from from the library that that are your favorites that other wrestlers have done?

Jason Nolf

Well, my, I think the one that people should watch is my Winn-Dixie one I have a Winn-Dixie. I teach how to do my Winn-Dixie and all my scrambling. I think that's one of the best ones on the site. But one of my favorite, I mean, Chance Marsteller and Trent Hidlay both have great under hook instructionals. You know, Jody Strittmatter has great youth wrestling instructional for neutral and for top and bottom, I'd have to look through we have, we have so many.

Shane Sparks

I think I saw one with Aidan Sinclair with the arm drags that was slick,

Jason Nolf

yep, yep. And then he did. Aiden had a scrambling instructional as well. Mitchell has a bunch of instructional with us. Joey McKenna Zahid has one. So yeah, we have a, we have a ton on here. It's hard to hard to pin couple, but Cade Ziola Row the Boat setups,

Shane Sparks

okay,

Jason Nolf

Bo Bassett on here. So yeah, got a ton of, ton of guys.

Shane Sparks

Well, that's awesome. It's, it's great seeing that continue to grow. Final question for you, Jason, you are on a cross country trip in a car with yourself and three other people that you've never met, three people you've never met, dead or alive. Who are you picking?

Jason Nolf

Well, my first thought was, Jesus, but let's say, let's say, gee, this isn't an option, dead or alive that I've never met. I honestly don't even know. That's a good question. I don't even know people that I haven't met. Let me think maybe, like the rock or something, he'd be, he'd be pretty funny. The Rock. Kevin Hart, those guys are funny, sure, together and then, oh man. Who's somebody that I like, maybe like Morgan Wallen or something.

Shane Sparks

Okay, you a country fan?

Jason Nolf

Yeah?

Shane Sparks

Oh yeah. Like, I like him. You got a favorite, favorite country song?

Jason Nolf

Right now, I have been listening to a lot of Morgan Wallen, so just in case, don't we? So there's some good songs.

Shane Sparks

Well, Jason, this has been awesome. I mean, this has been so much fun. Really appreciate you joining us here on the podcast. Great to get your thoughts, your perspective and hear about your amazing career and you got Hey, great things happening with Athletes Athletes Ocean. So thank you so much. Great to catch you up looking forward to Crossing Paths.

Jason Nolf

Yes, sir. All right. Thank you guys. You you.